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  just curious. How about blood?

  by never a jw in

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  i have never been a jw, but i have lived literally surrounded by them since i married my wife, almost 20 years ago.

  since i never raised a fuss before, i guess i was also brain-washed into thnking that their religion was harmless and the leaders were well intended.. i have been reading your comments for many months and have come to realize how harmful the religion is.

  your comments have been mostly about the pain inflicted by shunning, deception in the literature, and the views on higher education.

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  never a jw

  Giordano,

  apparently you don't get it or want to get it....hummm

  Wher the hell did you get the idea that I don't get it?????

  I think you totally misunderstood. I thank advances in medicine because in some cases allow lives of JW's to be saved, which otherwise woud have been lost as a result of the stupid, asinine, borderline murderous, irresponsible doctrine of blood. My "sigh of relief" is because at least the greatest harm done by the watchtoer in terms of numbers doesn't come from children dying from the stupidity of the doctrine. The other harms (shunning, higher education and sense of betrayal) most people recover from, death you don't recover from.
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  Awake February 2013: Where do they find these people?

  by bats in the belfry in

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  professor massimo tistarelli:.

  "my sister gave me a copy of the book life - how did it get here?

  by evolution or by creation?

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  Quite interesting how the WT touts the credentials of Tistarelli. He is a professor, he is a scientist, he is the editor of three international magazines, he has writeen hundreds of scientific papers. We even get a picture of the guy. Doesn't the WT teach that universities are a place for sex and drugs, that pursuing higher education is bad because your pursue finacial gain and fame (not so bad if we make you famous through Awake articles), that your time is better invested serving Jehovah. I am confused.

  So the WT finds 2 PhD's who are JW's (Furuli and Tistarelli), therefore PhD's around the world support JW's beliefs and methods, maybe?. How about a more realistic assumption, thousands or likely millions of Ph.D.'s don't support your beliefs and methods, therefore what?

  2 smart guys without or with lousy evidence to support their claims (607 and evolution) versus thousands or millions of smart guys with incontrovertible evidence. Where to go?
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  just curious. How about blood?

  by never a jw in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have never been a jw, but i have lived literally surrounded by them since i married my wife, almost 20 years ago.

  since i never raised a fuss before, i guess i was also brain-washed into thnking that their religion was harmless and the leaders were well intended.. i have been reading your comments for many months and have come to realize how harmful the religion is.

  your comments have been mostly about the pain inflicted by shunning, deception in the literature, and the views on higher education.

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  Thanks Shilmer. I have read your informative and quite interesting blog.

  Thank you stonewall for the moving experience.

  It seems that the blood doctrine has claimed a lot less victims than the other asinine doctrines. In a weird way I am glad to learn that the pain the watchtower causes is mostly to people who eventually recover (e.g. shunning and deception in litearature) or at least live with some sense of resignation (higher education). It seems that great advances in technology allow doctors in many cases to get around the dangerous, borderline homicidal blood doctrine.
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  just curious. How about blood?

  by never a jw in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have never been a jw, but i have lived literally surrounded by them since i married my wife, almost 20 years ago.

  since i never raised a fuss before, i guess i was also brain-washed into thnking that their religion was harmless and the leaders were well intended.. i have been reading your comments for many months and have come to realize how harmful the religion is.

  your comments have been mostly about the pain inflicted by shunning, deception in the literature, and the views on higher education.

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  never a jw

  I have never been a JW, but I have lived literally surrounded by them since I married my wife, almost 20 years ago. Since I never raised a fuss before, I guess I was also brain-washed into thnking that their religion was harmless and the leaders were well intended.

  I have been reading your comments for many months and have come to realize how harmful the religion is. Your comments have been mostly about the pain inflicted by shunning, deception in the literature, and the views on higher education. Your comments have been so moving that I am doing my part to undermine the influence of the WT on innocent people.

  However, the comments that I haven't seen are those regarding the blood doctrine causing personal pain. I know the question is tough, but I would like to know if any of you has been personally hurt, or know someone who has been hurt by the blood doctrine of the WT
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  What should replace religion ?

  by Finkelstein in

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  here is an interesting speech by daniel dennett.

  i thought it was a balanced and honest talk,.

  bringing out both sides of this purposed plausible suggestion.

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  truth
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  Have you ever explain why the Watchtower strongly discourage higher education to non jws?

  by Iamallcool in

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  how did you explain it to them?

  how did they react?

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  never a jw

  It was explained to me by an elder. Just the typical stuff from the magazines These are the last days therefore focus on serving big J. In Universities sex, drugs, liquor runrampant. Higher education is pursued because people want fame, money, and prestige.
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  Is there a mole in WT headquarters doing the writing too?

  by never a jw in

  1. social
  2. current

  i apologize if a thread for this has been created already.

  i found the following in the awake may 2013, page 13. earlier, in 607 b.c.e., babylonian armies razed jerusalem.

  and led most of the survivors into exile.

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  never a jw

  I apologize if a thread for this has been created already. I found the following in the Awake May 2013, Page 13

  Earlier, in 607 B.C.E., Babylonian armies razed Jerusalem

  and led most of the survivors into exile. How long

  would the Jews be held? God said: “When seventy years

  have been fulfilled I shall call to account against the king

  of Babylon and against that nation . . . and I will make it

  desolate wastes to time indefinite.”—Jeremiah 25:12.

  As mentioned, Cyrus captured Babylon in 539 B.C.E.

  Soon thereafter, he released the Jews, who began to arrive

  in their homeland in 537 B.C.E.—exactly 70 years after

  their deportation. (Ezra 1:1-4) As for Babylon, it eventually

  became “desolate wastes”—again confirming the

  accuracy of Bible prophecy.

  The writer contradicts himself within two paragraphs. Is it 70 years for Babylon (fulfillment in 539 BCE) or is it 70 years of exile (fulfillment in 537 BCE)

  The writer could have used the more questionable WT translation of Jer 29:10, but he decided to use the "wrong" verse instead (Jer 25:12).

  WHY???

  Jeremiah 29:10 For this is what Jehovah has said, ‘In accord with the fulfilling of seventy years at Babylon I shall turn my attention to ? YOU ? people, and I will establish toward ? YOU ? my good word in bringing ? YOU ? back to this place.’
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  4/1/2013 public WT, "A man named Andre' was very close to his father, who suddenly fell ill and died"

  by Theocratic Sedition in

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  i looked for a thread on this before posting, did i miss it?

  andre is in the main article of the april public edition wt.

  they gotta be having fun with this in the writing department!

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  I am sure I am missing the joke. What is all this about Andre that I hear so much. As far as I can go, it seems that the WT used a fictitious chracter and passed it as real to the rank and file. Any link that may help me partake of the joke?
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  How Many Here Have Ever Smoked Pot or Tobacco?

  by minimus in

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  am i the only one who has done neither?.

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  I didn't inhale and I never tried it again. I swear. And yes, I did have sexual relation with that woman... right after.
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  "Literary Heritage"? Is this new Watchtower newspeak??

  by never a jw in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i decided to send a rather flippant e-mail to an elder who gave me a bible study in the late 90's.

  he's a zealot among zealots.

  he inhales and exhales wt 24/7.

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  I decided to send a rather flippant e-mail to an elder who gave me a bible study in the late 90's. He's a zealot among zealots. He inhales and exhales WT 24/7. Here's my email and his response. English is not our first language, but I am glad he responded in English because you can read it too. Please bear with some confusing writing. I have highlighted the interesting stuff of his response.

  My email Dear Elder, I am preparing for the Watchtower study one week in advance and I read in Page 8 (Feb. 15, 2013): "Do you appreciate our spiritual heritage?" To the left of the question/title appear three persons holding very old magazines. Mr. Elder, do you appreciate those magazines? Have you ever read them? I don't think Jehovah's Witnesses appreciate their spiritual heritage. Almost all of them know near nothing about their history. They can only remember the latest study. I am very confident that I know more about their history than anyone in my wife's congregation including all elders, or your own congregation, including yourself. Don't you think it is time to show appreciation for your spiritual heritage? I can help you. I have most of the literature (books, magazines tracts) going back to 1879. Just bring me your laptop and you can have them all. Never a JW His response Hi Never a JW I'll give some answer: While I commend your interest in the history of our organization, it is an interest in our literary heritage that you attack. You don't understand what the spiritual heritage is because that is manifested in the qualities and personalities af the individuals who partake in such heritage. I also appreciate your desire to share your extensive library, I assure you however that I too could acquire such literature from the internet or eBay, amazon or international bookstores. Yes change has happened and those with the spiritual heritage have been thankful for the further understanding ad first century Christians were about their understanding of the Christ.. Jehova's witnesses understand their heritage and take pride in it, and this is why they dedicate time in the field preaching. They will not get into debate with teorist whose "finding" are at best deficient and unproductive. So is it Witnesses know almost nothing of their history? Your ability to understand does not exist at this moment because you are on the defensive. Have you really dedicated time and effort to "uncover" truths about a group you elevate yourself over?What is really the reason for your actions? Do you care so much for my well being that you wish that I see the "truth"? What is the desire. I'll be attentive to your response. Elder